Tuesday, February 27, 2007

Them there's tactics

Neither Darth Tubbs nor Anton have raced this year, depriving me of my normal means of driving up site traffic. Rudy refuses to get involved in anymore verbal wars with Seabass.

So I guess that leaves me to try to drag up some more bad karma. A few posts ago I mocked the indignation people had over this post. I think I say more offensive things per sentence than is on that entire blog. Yet where are my massive hit counts and Oregon based traffic?

So in order to correct that, and without beating up on Rubicon (which would be copycatting) I've decided to simply direct your attention to the first 3 pictures at this website.

Notice pictures 1 & 2. Besides the powerful and now girlfriended Mr. Boots who else do you see? Ok, besides the Hedgehog. No I don't mean the 2 pro guys. Damnit I am referring to the CMG rider. Now look at picture number 3. How do you see trying to bridge across? That's 2 CMG riders *working* with Doug. Now from my less than impressive perch from the back I kept wondering why CMG was chasing. After all they had a rider in the break. Maybe they wanted 3 riders in the break; but that didn't seem like a great plan if it requires taking Ollerenshaw with you.


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At Tuesday, February 27, 2007 10:47:00 PM, Blogger Russell said...

Well, with the initial break CMG has 1 rider in a 5 rider break, so 1/5th chances of winning. By bridging 2 more riders in a group of 4, then they end up with 3 riders in a group of 9 giving them a 1/3 chance. So, purely by statistics the chances are better. Now, tactically, let's assume the rider in the lead group knew he had 2 teammates coming up. He now has an excuse not to pull. So he sits on. The 2 CMG riders in the chase can also sit on, miss pulls, and take soft pulls because they have a rider in the lead group. So all the CMG riders get to work less than the others and if the groups come together they have greater odds with doing less work and hopefully being more fresh than the others. I'm sure this is what Donald was thinking...


At Tuesday, February 27, 2007 10:47:00 PM, Blogger Andrew F Martin said...

Are they working, or covering the bridge attempt to get a free ride to the break? The latter is good racin' yeah?

At Wednesday, February 28, 2007 5:21:00 AM, Blogger P-Dog said...

well, if they sat on Doug I think that would make sense. From were I was sitting they were actually driving. And for more context the field was just behind meaning they were acting as a carrot for the field to take their rider up.

Specifically in Cherry Pie I noticed a lot of small gaps caused by hesitation opening that riders then treated like a significant gap.

As for the numbers in the break. I don't know that it's always smart just to take up numbers. Maybe they would have had 3 guys, but they would then have 3 pro riders who are on different teams but everyone knows will work together.

I think that's an underrated part of tactics; knowing who will work with and for who. Trevor won a PR last year largely by letting a couple broadmark guys leap frog him up to a break with Ronnie. What tipped the balance there was the Sundt was also in the break and was working with Ronnie. So instead of 2 team-mates there were really 3 and Trevor used that to outgun Tubbs.

Wow, I can't believe I just wrote Trevor outgunned Tubbs.

And once there were 3 CMG riders in the break, the other riders would legitimately stop pulling as well.

Anyway, all that is fine dandy and rational. But not quite the bitter recriminations I was hoping for. Damn you all for being mature.

At Wednesday, February 28, 2007 7:15:00 AM, Blogger Old as dirt said...

Oh, whatever happened to the days when the strongest/best rider would win a race, oh yeah Kenny and Tubbs win many races! It's the one's who think too much about what everyone else is doing, that don't win.
Andrew, that was me last night as you turned off Juanita.

At Wednesday, February 28, 2007 9:09:00 AM, Blogger P-Dog said...

well, it certainly is easier to see what's going on from the back :)

At Wednesday, February 28, 2007 7:45:00 PM, Blogger Argentius said...

Okay okay, I'm out of the loop on all this stuff but I wanted to point out that both o' yer links linky to the same thingy here.

At Thursday, March 01, 2007 8:31:00 AM, Blogger P-Dog said...

i am not sure it matters. i heard that the post in question was scrubbed so as not to be offensive. so maybe the OR crowd isn't that sensitive unless you say mean things about their Moms.

but, having a short attention span, I've already lost interest. that, and i am tired of people actually giving intelligent comments on why the tactics were actually ok.


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